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Every week I bump into a certain NEC coach (who will remain nameless) at the grocery store. We have a mutual friend so we often end up talking basketball. This week I threw it out there...”Coach, how much do you guys rely on analytics these days and do you have a full time guy on staff who specializes in this?”
His answer, “It’s huge. It plays some part in every aspect of what we do—from recruiting and player evaluation, to goal-setting and conversations with our players. I have 2 assistants who are our analytics guys.” Then he added, “Yeah, if you’re not utilizing analytics these days you’re missing out and ignoring a crucial tool.”
Then we ended up talking for 1/2 hr and he gave me all kinds of interesting examples of the types of things his team is currently doing with analytics.
For you analytics deniers out there, or those of you who think it’s not being used EXTENSIVELY by the top teams in the NEC, this Coach dispelled that myth in a hurry.
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:roll: Yeah but Michael Jordan didn't use analytics!!! :roll:
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CCSU4-3 wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 9:10 am :roll: Yeah but Michael Jordan didn't use analytics!!! :roll:
Ha! Funny thing, the coach who I’m referring to used that exact same example. He said, “People who throw Jordan out there as an example of why mid-range shots aren’t a bad thing are being ridiculous.” Then he added, “First of all, the guy is like the greatest player of all time. And second of all, he was one of those rare examples of a guy who could shoot a high enough percentage from mid-range to make it a ‘good’ shot for him.” He gave me an example of a player on his team who shot almost 50% from mid-range last year but really struggled from 3. Even so, they’re trying to stretch this guy out because if he’s limited to ONLY making 15-18-foot shots then it’s not going to be easy to get this guy much playing time within the structure of what they’re trying to do offensively.
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Fascinating stuff!

And also, in 1986 if someone convinced Jordan that he'd be EVEN BETTER if he shot more threes and fewer mid rangers, he would have.
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Yep, we got a coach that doesn't believe in it. Have to assume if he doesn't win this year, he will not be renewed, but I'd wonder what the Mendoza(to use a baseball term) line would be? Is single digit wins acceptable after a 4, excuse me, 3 win season? I'd say no way. Guessing as to who your friend is, I'm pretty sure he lost a ton of players this year and analytics may not help him all that much this season, but he's proven to be a good coach despite not getting to the promised land. Hopefully DM comes around but I'm certainly not holding my breath. We will see mid range jumpers galore, lol
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Hello strangers. Ok so we don’t talk anymore, lol. Anyhoo, so analytics is raising its ugly head in baseball and a lot of fans are talking down on them. Pretty obvious that Kevin Cash just took out Snell cause the numbers told him to and it very much may cost them the series. Fans were going ballistic on Aaron Boone as well for that bs analytics move that cost them game 3 and the eventual series. I see both sides I guess is what I’m saying.
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Analytics are not meant to provide the correct answer every time. They're used to make more informed decisions so that you make the correct decision more often (in theory). Sports aren't a test with a "right answer". Think trying to improve your odds of winning incrementally- from 50% to 53% (or even less).

They maybe should have left Snell in*, but that's how the Rays operated all season long- batters' OPS 3rd time through the order is significantly higher than the 1st and 2nd times, and that includes Snell. They made it to the World Series using that process, and lost to the Dodgers whose President of Baseball Ops was once the Rays GM, and who the Rays current Front Office members learned from.

*BTW, the last fastball he threw last night was 94.3 MPH, which was the slowest of the night (he topped out at 97.7 mph in the 3rd inning).

You could say they lost Game 6 of the WS because they took Snell out. You could also say they never would have gotten to the World Series if they typically left their starters in longer through the season/post-season. Or, maybe they lose 6-1 if they leave Snell in. Who knows? If you play Black Jack and know the odds and make the "smart" play every time, you'll win more (or lose less) than if you didn't. But if you are only improving your odds by 5%/10%, it's not going to make you feel safer in that one hand when there's a lot of $$ on the table.

I find it funny that the term "analytics" is getting thrown around so much in a negative way. Analytics is another word for "information". Imagine saying "Information is bad". Sports teams who do not utilize "analytics" are essentially saying "I don't want all the information, I only want some of it".

When you get in a car to go somewhere that's maybe an hour away and you've gone there before, and you are in somewhat of a hurry, and pulling it up on the GPS is an option, do you do it? What if there's a traffic jam or a road is out? Or what if there's a different way you didn't know about that could save 10 minutes? Why say "no" to more information that can help you make a more informed decision?

The Rays didn't lose because they utilized analytics. They lost because the manager/front office took all the information they had, made an informed decision, and it back-fired. Maybe the Dodgers or Yankees or someone else would have taken the same information and made a different decision. But it's not like the Dodgers were some old-school, measuring the amount of heart each player had, and deciding on pitchers based on who had "the look". These were possibly the two most analytically-driven baseball teams in MLB.

****I will say, though, that the new-age analytic baseball is less fun to watch. I miss stolen bases and bunts and balls put in play and pitchers going 125 pitches, I really do. It doesn't make it wrong though, from a competitive standpoint.
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