BigBlue92 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:47 pm
But what if you're a big with a dominant inside game? Well, then you're probably getting Big East offers..or at least A10, etc.
So why don't we find 6'10" guys who are athletic enough to guard the paint AND perimeter and pop out to hit the 3? Well, like hoops said, those guys don't end up in the NEC.
I think where *some* people may be missing the primary point here is that; this isn't about BIGS. It's about PLAYERS.
Coaches are looking for guys who check as many boxes as possible. The top programs? They want a PG who is quick, can handle, shoot, pass, take care of the basketball, defend, has some length, and has the ability to lead on the court. Are there many guys who can do all that? Of course not. Hypothetically speaking, ACC/Big Ten/Big VII/Pac 12 coaches are looking for players who can do as many of those things as possible.
At the NEC level, obviously you aren't gong to bring in a Cade Cunningham or Jalen Suggs (who check ALL the boxes). But a guy who can do most of those things but is 6'0" with shoes on? That player can become Jahlil Jenkins. Or maybe the player can do most of those things but can't really shoot (yet)? That guy could be Ramiir Dixon-Conover.
The point is; at this level, you have to give a bit. Find players who have short-comings in some areas but are really good in others. Maybe your wing is only 6'0" and not great off the bounce, but he can shoot the lights out (like SHU's Mike Sixsmith). Or doesn't do one thing great but can do a little of everything and is super competitive like Bryant's Charles Pride.
As for bigs; generally, you can't win in basketball these days without AT LEAST 3 long-range threats on the floor at one time, plus a 4th who can at least keep the defense honest. Look at NBA Champ Milwaukee Bucks...Brooke Lopez isn't the greatest '5' in the world, but he's a good 3-pt shooting big. With Giannis, who does most of his damage in the paint, you can't have a traditional big clogging the lane. It wouldn't work!! So they went out and got someone who could provide more spacing on the offense end, and *poof* they're champs. Is DeAndre Ayton a better big than Lopez? Yup! But Ayton wouldn't fit in on that team (Ayton doesn't stretch the D, but everyone else on that roster does).
Having a non-shooting big is FINE. You can win the NEC with a non-shooting big. Bryant didn't win the league but were the best team last year, and Elisias doesn't take shots outside of 12 feet. Mount St. Mary's won the title and Malik Jefferson doesn't shoot the ball outside of the paint ever. BUT, if you have a non-shooting big, and a non-shooting 4, and a non-shooting PG, you cannot have an efficient offense in 2022. In 2002? Not a big deal. Now? No freakin way.
Pat Sellers has brought in 6 new scholarship players. Just two of them, 6'6" Andre Snoddy and 6'10" Arian Dehnavi, APPEAR to not be shooters at this stage of their development. Does that mean they can't play? OF COURSE NOT. The bigger question on Dehnavi (and Jayden Brown) will be if he can be switchable defensively.
As for shooting; Sellers has plenty.
1. Mitchell- 37%
2. Scantlebury- 35%
3. Krishnan- 31% (36% career- but let's face it, Marshall didn't know how to use a guy like him)
4. Newkirk- 28%
5. Ayangma- 28%
1. Augustin- 34% at D2 Glenville St.
2. McLaughlin- 6'6" and 3-pt shooting is his primary skill
3. Sweatman- 5'8" but supposedly he's a good shooter/scorer
4. Jayden Brown- 6'8", but at least according to recruiting analyst Adam Finkelstein, is a "skilled, mismatch big who can play inside-out".
Essentially; it'd be difficult to play a lineup with, say, Newkirk, Ayangma, and Dehnavi together, as there's just not enough shooting there (which is why Newkirk should be nothing more than a backup). But could a theoretical lineup of Scantlebury, Mitchell, Augustin, Ayangma, and Dehnavi work? Sure! Just like you could pair Snoddy with Jayden Brown, but not Dehnavi.
One of my bigger issues with Marshall was that, too often, he'd put non-shooters in a lineup together (partially because he didn't bring in enough shooters). His most frequently used lineup, according to Kenpom, had Newkirk, Ayangma, and Karrington Wallace alongside Scantlebury and Krishnan. Three guys who had 3P% below 30%? Sag those 3 defenders into the paint and dare them to beat you from the outside. Good luck getting any driving lanes or shots at the rim.